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Kung-Fu
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Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:59 am |
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Alright.. A couple of you know this.. but most of you don't.. For a little while now I've been trying to decide whether or not to become a Christian.
This is why:
I always thought that I was missing something inside myself, and that's why I could never be truly happy. And just recently (like a few months ago), I thought that religion might be what I'm missing. So I had been trying to learn more about Christianity. Another influence was Shane.. when he told me about stuff that had happened spiritually with people (eg. Jacqui at PlanetShakers), he seemed so happy.. I wanted to be a part of that.
So I tried really hard to get my head around the concept of me possibly having something like Christianity as a part of my life... And along with that came me reaching out to God.. I prayed a lot over that short period of time, and it just seemed like I was being ignored.. So.. I gave up.
Last night, I spoke to Chris about it, and then to Shane.. and told him that religion just "wasn't me". I felt like a major let down to him... I didn't mean for it to happen..
Anyway, I said to Chris, "I found all that happiness, in Shane."
He said to me, "Do you think God is working through Shane?"
Really.. I don't know.. which leads to the next thing..
This morning I was talking to Ryan, not for long, but enough for him to completely change my view of everything.. I told him that I prayed so much, hoping for a sign from God, and never got answered...
He said, "What kind of sign?"
I replied, "I don't know.."
He told me that God could come to me in many different ways... He gives people signs in so many ways.. Maybe a dream, or through a picture. He speaks to you through those...
I have had a dream once.. but it wasn't God. It was Jesus.. In my dream he was just standing there looking at me.. It really scared me, I didn't know what to do.. So I woke up.
Ryan said, "Run to Jesus."
I'm just.. really really scared.. I'm not sure what of... but I'm scared.
Ryan really opened my eyes this morning.
I'd pretty much given up on the whole concept of Christianity. But now...
I can't do this alone... I need help guys... I tried to do this relatively on my own. Of course, I'd ask Shane, and Nielsen questions.. but like, mostly on my own.
I guess I'm reaching out... Help me...
But please, don't just say "Go to Youth."
It's not as easy for me to just "go to Youth", I have to get through my dad. My dad has complete control over what I do.
And I don't think I'd go to Church either. I'm not into big public things...
Oh and another thing... My family, is non-religious, and don't want to hear anything about it. Mum said, "Just don't come preaching to me." That indicates, "I don't care, I don't wanna know anything about it."
That was another obstacle.. I have my family to worry about.
Anyway.. yeah.. help in any way you can.. try to help me see all of this clearly. Help me change my mind.
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I was in your position once.
Just think about this. The enemy, he wants you to give up. If you do that, he wins. Do you want the enemy to win? I hope not 
Sometimes, we are expecting God to come as soon as we ask him... Well what we need to think about is that..Hello we are asking the Creator of all things to step into our lives...Imagine his time schedule. Lol. We have to meet him half way. God wants you more than you would know, Eliza.
And God could possibly be testing you, He might be seeing if you can stick with wanting to know Him and want Him to be apart of your life. Because what good is a christian if they just go back to their own ways?
Don't worry Eliza there are people around that love you and want to help you. I know it's hard to wait, but God could have already revealed himself somehow, maybe you just weren't aware of it. Remember what I told you thismorning, sometimes we won't ever even realise it is God unless we really, really are alert for Him. Because you need to realise there is also the voice of the enemy. That won't ever go away.
Another thing, whenever you feel like crap, or have problems..Or walls Chris calls them. Hand them to God. Really, give everything up to Him and he will change your life. Make stands.
Try not to think of church just a "public event" because it's not. It's a gathering of people to just declare and worship God. And to learn more about Him. But some churches do things the wrong way. That's why so many people hate the church and christians these days. We are suppose to be like Jesus, yet alot of christians are so judgemental. Jesus was never judgemental.
Well yeah. I don't know if any of this will assist you, but alot of it helped me before. Don't let go, don't give up. God has a purpose for your life.
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Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:18 pm |
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| Ryan wrote: | | Try not to think of church just a "public event" because it's not. |
No, it's just.. I feel that I can learn about Him and all that stuff, in the comfort of my own home.
See.. my father wouldn't let me go to church anyway...
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| Quote: | Oh and another thing... My family, is non-religious, and don't want to hear anything about it. Mum said, "Just don't come preaching to me." That indicates, "I don't care, I don't wanna know anything about it."
That was another obstacle.. I have my family to worry about. |
Don't think you're alone there, a great many of us have parents who aren't into the whole Christian thing, and honestly don't like it at all. I come home many days, for eg. Brother: You know that rose you got from the church, because it's dead, does that mean that god doesn't love you" etc. etc. Ignore it. I believe in something, they may not, but it doesn't and SHOULDN'T change what you do.
Such as from a book out of the 'Tomorrow Series'
| Quote: | | I learnt something very important from Robyn: You have to believe in something, sounds simple doesn't it? Well it's not. Its not for me and it wasn't for Robyn, and i'm going to keep looking and keep trying until i do too... |
If that helps at all..
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Never stop looking. Seek and you shall find. You won't find out straight away, some people find quicker than others but you will find.
Never stop looking. Never give up.
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Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:53 pm |
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Thank you.
(Sorry, couldn't think up much of a response, haha)
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Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:56 pm |
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Well said Chris *salutes*
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Well..I'm not sure how quite to answer this.
Probably because I've grown up in a christian home, with parents always wanting me to be a christian anyway. Had to wait a while, but I guess they got their wish.
Anyhoooo.. God won't always move when you want Him to, straight away. But if it's in His will, (and believe me, you becoming a christian is absolutely, definitely in His will,) then He will answer. Whether or not you believe it, he will.
I got a little tiny taste of God during Youth Alive 2005, and that was enough to change my life completely. But I didn't feel it again for a very, very long time. I'm talking more than a year. It was enough to drag me down, make me depressed; give up.
But then He answered. He did.
And it was worth the waiting. It was worth the depression.
When you pray for something like this, God will come through, He really will. It'll be worth the wait, I promise you.
| Quote: | | And I'm sure everyone in this thread will be praying for you too |
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Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:37 pm |
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Eliza I must tell you something very important. If you seek God, He shall make Himself manifest to you in a large way. Today, I got news that my older brother and his girlfriend split up. We (as a family, mum, dad, brother and I) have prayed for ages in regards to Jesus getting in the way of their relationship, because it was going to stuff Andrew (older brother) in the long run. We prayed as a family, expecting it to happen. Then it did
Not only that, but this may come as a shock to some. But the event at camp when Chris got saved was a big relief for me as well.. On the fact that I have been asking God for a while to make Himself manifest to Chris... Then He did...
I plead to you Eliza to pray to God and expect Him to make himself manifested to you in your life. Always remember this Eliza; you have us to help you also... We are your friends and we want to help you.
| Kung-Fu wrote: | | See... My father wouldn't let me go to church anyway... |
That’s cool... We have enough "intelligent" Christians here to give you somewhat of a sermon or something… Or very least answering your questions and queries without you leaving home... There is always school. You can sit with me in Ancient History and discuss this if you like...
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Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:41 pm |
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Thanks so much Wilkins. That means a lot to me.
EDIT: woops, and thank you Penny.
And everyone.
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Man just reading everything, and how we have planetshakers and big conferences...I actually feel sorry for other religions. I mean seriously, look at all the love we share in this thread. It's awesome. And also, it's so much fun being a christian, I mean planetshakers...Youth camps, they are just examples of how much of an awesome time you can have in the presence of the holy spirit. It's freakin cool. And Christianity is the only religion where you don't have to work to get to heaven. You could be dying, and just before you died if you honestly gave your life to Christ right there, and died..You would be rejoicing with the angels in heaven. How rad is that.
And, alot of churches are fun! You go there, you worship God..You have a good time, you hear a bit of a sermon then you eat food and chat to everyone.
I love it.
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Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:56 pm |
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Hey... way cool...
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Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:33 pm |
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tomorrow, music room, i bags keys.
eliza, if you want in on christianity, you've got to really, really want it. at josh's youth camp, last year, i dunno about the technicality of whether that was me getting saved or baptised in the spirit or whatever, but i prayed my heart out for it, proned, at the back of the shed, for a good hour or so, and i got a response.
churches put a big deal into people answering alter calls to be saved... to don't need to get up, or even go to church. you just need to mean the words.
again, different this time, if you want in on christianity, we can show you the way. but travelling it is for you and god to deal with, no-one else. |
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Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:49 pm |
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Guys...
It just happened..
I got the sign.. that I was looking for...
I can't stop crying.. I'm in disbelief..
Let me paste in some convos from MSN to show you how it all happened..
| Ryan and I wrote: | Mrs Mittens says:
Like, my mum drinks way too much, and even though I don't live with her, whenever I come to see her, she's drunk that same night, and she'll start fights, and I sorta hate her for it. Even though I know it's wrong. I just wanna scream at her and tell her to stop being an idiot..
As for my dad, he just tries to make me out like I'm clueless all the time.. and has only started letting me have freedom recently.. But used to yell at me because I was stuck in the house all day because he wouldn't let me do anything.
Mrs Mittens says:
Blah.. Sorry about that.
.Tension[FD] - says:
You know what.. I'm really sorry that's the issue...But you can always pray for them.
Mrs Mittens says:
But.. will God help them? They don't believe..
.Tension[FD] - says:
Doesn't matter.
.Tension[FD] - says:
If you believe enough something can happen.
.Tension[FD] - says:
It will.
.Tension[FD] - says:
Prayer is powerful.
.Tension[FD] - says:
God wants to help everyone Eliza.
.Tension[FD] - says:
He loves you, he loves your parents so much.
.Tension[FD] - says:
He wants to make things better but we need to put our trust in Him.
Mrs Mittens says:
Okay..
*other conversation for a while.. and then...*
Mrs Mittens says:
I just prayed.. I asked God to help mum and dad.. to find some inner peace..
.Tension[FD] - says:
.Tension[FD] - says:
And don't just pray it once.
.Tension[FD] - says:
.Tension[FD] - says:
lol
.Tension[FD] - says:
Persevere
Mrs Mittens says:
Yep, I will.
Mrs Mittens says:
I'm afraid that.. if my mum especially doesn't stop what she's doing.. that she's going to die..
Mrs Mittens says:
I don't want my mum to die..
.Tension[FD] - says:
.Tension[FD] - says:
I don't think that would happen.
Mrs Mittens says:
I am crying so much, and I feel like I'm going to pass out..
.Tension[FD] - says:
Arghh.
.Tension[FD] - says:
It
.Tension[FD] - says:
It
.Tension[FD] - says:
It's okay to cry.
Mrs Mittens says:
brb I can't breathe..
.Tension[FD] - says:
lol.
.Tension[FD] - says:
shit..
.Tension[FD] - says:
Eliza..
.Tension[FD] - says:
Now you are scaring me
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Then.. after that session of not breathing.. this is what I told Shane..
| Shane and I wrote: | Mrs Mittens says:
Baby..
Mrs Mittens says:
I think I was just answered..
Mr Mittens says:
Yeah?!
Mr Mittens says:
!!!
Mrs Mittens says:
I kneeled down on the floor because I couldn't breathe.. then all of a sudden.. everything went dark.. then I felt like.. a hand press against my chest.. and then I could see again..
Mr Mittens says:
!
Mr Mittens says:
You're looking for signs right? What do you think that meant?
Mr Mittens says:
Thats a sign and a half
Mrs Mittens says:
He's here... for me..
Mr Mittens says:
Yes!
Mr Mittens says:
Yes yes yes he is
Mr Mittens says:
People experience different things all the time, its always a different message to each person
Mrs Mittens says:
I.. don't know what to say..
Mr Mittens says:
Mr Mittens says:
Just smile!
Mr Mittens says:
And dance!
Mrs Mittens says:
I can't, I'm crying too much..
Mr Mittens says:
You can still dance!
Mrs Mittens says:
Not at the moment..
Mr Mittens says:
Well there's your sign
Mr Mittens says:
I think it meant... That hes not only there for you, but
"everything went dark.. then I felt like.. a hand press against my chest.. and then I could see again.."
That he's here to fix things, to guide you, to take you out of the dark and make things ok
Mrs Mittens says:
I have no idea.. I'm in disbelief right now..
Mr Mittens says:
Its belief
Mr Mittens says:
Mrs Mittens says:
I'm just in shock..
Mrs Mittens says:
I've never felt that before in my life.. |
So.. yea... I don't really know what to make of it all.. I'm still crying..
I need massive hugs..
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*inserts massive hugs here*
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*hugs bigger than wilkins*
I don't know you!!
But I love you!!
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Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:05 pm |
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Sorry for posting twice, but I've got the feeling again..
Nielsens the only one I've told in detail, but this is the same feeling I felt a week after Planetshakers. I can't breathe. It's stronger. It's stronger.
Thank you.
Darn. I just remembered what happened the last time I got this feeling. I only got an hour and a half sleep.. |
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Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:07 pm |
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Hehe, thanks Penny, thanks Wilkins.
GAH
I feel so happy.
I feel really.. warm inside..
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Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:13 pm |
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God does that to you ... Its fricken insane when he shows up inside.. Nothing better.
I have something that I would really like to share with you Eliza tomorrow. It was a big moment for me in my life.
But I do ask you this one question, do you really want to know God?? You may have said it already, but I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.
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warm, that's it.
yellow, non icky love buckets, anyone?
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I'm not sure Wilkins.. Give me time to figure that one out.
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Ok, sorry for the push
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Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:18 pm |
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Perfectly alright.
Hehe.. I feel really good right now..
Like.. I just want to hug everyone... I feel really close to everyone.. Like.. I feel like you've all been with me for so long.. and that you're always gonna be here..
In the short time I've known you guys, you've been so lovely to me. And showed me what it's like to have true friends..
Thank you all so much..
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Eliza, you are most welcome. Its been my pleasure to help you out (if I have).
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Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:21 pm |
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Yeah you have.
Just knowing that I'm not alone makes all the difference.
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I'm really happy for you, Eliza. Hehe. Yay.
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| Eliza. I'll be praying for you |
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WAAAAHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
WWOOOPPPP WOOOOPPPP
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
AFKGFDGKLJHLKJALGKHSFLHKJFSJHSKFH
*goes hypo*
WEEEEEEE
I feel like I'm floating on air!
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| I'm glad you feel like your fitting in aswell. Its good to see you so happy! |
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